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2019-07-05 13:54:14	ikanobori	You need bytes to go to hex.
2019-07-05 13:54:26	Wooble	jamesson: presumably use codecs.decode the exact same way you're already using codecs.encode
2019-07-05 13:55:41	jamesson	Wooble but, codecs.encode is throwing the error
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2019-07-05 13:57:12	ikanobori	jamesson: In that case pastebin the full traceback that belongs to that code.
2019-07-05 13:57:24	stealth_	jamesson, line:98 `text = text.encode()`
2019-07-05 13:57:24	ikanobori	Not just the last line :)
2019-07-05 13:57:43	Wooble	jamesson: what version of python?
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2019-07-05 13:58:33	jamesson	full traceback;
2019-07-05 13:58:35	jamesson	https://bpaste.net/show/3Skz
2019-07-05 13:59:00	jamesson	python v 3.7.1
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2019-07-05 14:00:41	ikanobori	Mrm weird, I'd have expected a typerror there.
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2019-07-05 14:00:59	ikanobori	encode_text is bytes?
2019-07-05 14:01:05	Wooble	jamesson: I can't reproduce that; I kind of feel like whatever you're using to run that is lying in the traceback.
2019-07-05 14:01:33	jamesson	Wooble: really! That means my python is sad.
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2019-07-05 14:01:34	ikanobori	Yea, codecs.encode(b"somebytes", encoding="hex") seems to work here as well.
2019-07-05 14:01:36	Wooble	jamesson: that's the exact error if you actually try to .encode() on the string.
2019-07-05 14:01:46	Wooble	jamesson: is this ipython? :/
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2019-07-05 14:02:36	ikanobori	Ok so.
2019-07-05 14:02:46	ikanobori	In your initial paste you're not importing codecs at all.
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2019-07-05 14:02:56	ikanobori	Is that the code you're actually running?
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2019-07-05 14:03:10	ikanobori	I was going off the hunch that codecs might be a string :p
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2019-07-05 14:03:25	Wooble	my hunch is a .pyc file.
2019-07-05 14:03:26	ikanobori	But that'd be a different error still.
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2019-07-05 14:04:10	Wooble	I sure hope there's no way to actually get codecs.encode to tell you to use codecs.encode instead of what you're doing :)
2019-07-05 14:05:04	jamesson	Oh no, it _is_ different now. How very odd.
2019-07-05 14:05:23	jamesson	Wooble: it's from pypi, it's not my code
2019-07-05 14:05:43	Wooble	well that's even weirder then.
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2019-07-05 14:05:55	jamesson	updated traceback https://bpaste.net/show/OvvH
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2019-07-05 14:06:23	jamesson	Wooble: what he was doing originally (I forget what it was) is for an older python
2019-07-05 14:06:39	jamesson	Wooble: I just changed one line
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2019-07-05 14:07:55	Wooble	looks like you're missing an import (and also probably don't edit installed stuff inside site-packages)
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2019-07-05 14:08:44	Wooble	did you use reload() or something?
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2019-07-05 14:10:17	jamesson	Wooble: you mean, did I restart the interpreter? Yes, I always do
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2019-07-05 14:13:09	jamesson	Wooble: Yea, i tried to import codecs explicitly in the first few lines, same crap
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2019-07-05 14:13:53	Wooble	jamesson: if you're importing codecs and it's giving a NameError about codecs, it's not running the code you're writing
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2019-07-05 14:15:19	majuscul2	thanks ikanobori / jwhisnant !
2019-07-05 14:15:32	jamesson	Wooble: drat, yea, you're right. I don't know why it keeps doing that :/
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2019-07-05 14:17:41	Wooble	jamesson: how are you running this?
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2019-07-05 14:17:56	jamesson	Wooble: pyzo with cpython
2019-07-05 14:18:19	Wooble	never heard of pyzo but it sounds buggy.
2019-07-05 14:18:44	jamesson	Wooble: it's quite convenient, but I''l try to replace it
2019-07-05 14:19:18	jamesson	Wooble: what's a popular ide around here?
2019-07-05 14:19:43	Wooble	pycharm and vs code are both pretty popular.
2019-07-05 14:20:46	jamesson	Wooble: Yea I've used vs code before, I'll transition to that as soon as I get this working
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2019-07-05 14:23:14	sheepe1	Hi, does anyone have any experience on how to run unittests for wheels. I build wheels on CI servers, then I install them using `pip install *.whl` and I want to run my test suite. However, since the working directory still contains the package source code, that seems to take precedence over my installed wheel. Anybody have experience with this?
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2019-07-05 14:23:53	tos9	sheepe1: Well yes unfortunately a lot of testing tools are less helpful than they should be :)
2019-07-05 14:24:24	tos9	sheepe1: What test runner are you using
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2019-07-05 14:24:53	Strogg	Does using "python3 setup.py develop" in your python modules work the same in python3 as it used to in python2 ?
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2019-07-05 14:25:13	sheepe1	tos9: I don't think this is really a test runner issue, I've tried both pytest and the regular unittest framework, but this seems like just how python handles importing modules
2019-07-05 14:25:14	tos9	Strogg: You should never run `python setup.py anything` pretty much
2019-07-05 14:25:19	Strogg	I've got a module that I wrote that works in python2, but python3 can't seem to import it.
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2019-07-05 14:25:24	Strogg	tos9: hrmm why not?
2019-07-05 14:25:29	tos9	sheepe1: It's a test runner issue :)
2019-07-05 14:25:31	Strogg	tos9: what's the alternative?
2019-07-05 14:25:37	tos9	sheepe1: All of thsoe commands are deprecated. You want pip install -e .
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2019-07-05 14:25:59	tos9	sheepe1: Anyways, if you have unittest-compatible test cases, what you should do (or at least a working combination) is to use trial, along with changedir in your tox.ini.
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2019-07-05 14:26:23	qwerty1793	Hi, has py.test done something with their --duration=N option? I'm now getting the error "py.test: error: unrecognized arguments: --duration=20" when I run py.test --duration=20
2019-07-05 14:26:28	sheepe1	tos9: ok, but that will only install the source directory. That's very similar to `python setup.py develop`, right? I want to install wheels, which I guess `pip install -e .` won't do?
2019-07-05 14:26:33	qwerty1793	I couldn't see anything here https://docs.pytest.org/en/latest/deprecations.html
2019-07-05 14:26:38	tos9	sheepe1: That message was for Strogg
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2019-07-05 14:26:45	Strogg	hrmmm.. this is going to be more work than I thought
2019-07-05 14:26:46	tos9	sheepe1: The second one was for you :)
2019-07-05 14:26:50	Strogg	tos9: ok, thanks
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2019-07-05 14:28:50	sheepe1	tos9: Ah ok, I've never heard of trial, but looking at the homepage, there doesn't seem to be any motivation why I'd want to use that over pytest.
2019-07-05 14:28:56	cgi	what is a fast way to pad a binary numpy array [1 0] --> with zeros on the left? [1,0] --> [0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0]
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2019-07-05 14:29:39	tos9	sheepe1: Other than that I just told you how to fix your problem :)?
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2019-07-05 14:30:19	astronavt	cgi, https://docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy/reference/generated/numpy.pad.html
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2019-07-05 14:31:53	sheepe1	tos9: I'm sorry, I might be looing at the wrong thing. is it this thing? https://twistedmatrix.com/documents/15.2.0/core/howto/trial.html
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2019-07-05 14:31:54	cgi	astronavt, I was wondering if that is fast or a np.concatenate
2019-07-05 14:32:00	cgi	just using np.concatenate for now
2019-07-05 14:32:17	tos9	sheepe1: It's that thing yes, it's just a unittest compatible test runner.
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2019-07-05 14:32:47	tos9	sheepe1: You might be able to get things working with pytest, but you asked for people with experience solving this before and I told you I'd done so and the tools and methods to do so :)
2019-07-05 14:32:59	astronavt	cgi, benchmark it
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2019-07-05 14:33:06	tos9	A key difference for example being that unlike most test runners, trial works the "rigth way" and discovers packages on your python path, not your filesystem.
2019-07-05 14:33:27	astronavt	its possible that np.pad uses np.concatenate under the hood, or maybe its optimized somehow. you can read the source code for an idea but you have to benchmark to actually know
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2019-07-05 14:33:54	tos9	sheepe1: (that page is mostly about trial the *framework* though, the test runner is just a thing you get by running `trial foo` instead of running `python -m unittest discover foo`, and otherwise works the same way)
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2019-07-05 14:35:47	sheepe1	tos9: I see, it seems very quick to test this out
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2019-07-05 14:36:00	tos9	sheepe1: Yep it's about 10 seconds :)
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2019-07-05 14:45:45	jfhbrook	is there a way to set the metaclass when calling type('class name', bases, attrs) ?
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2019-07-05 14:46:59	sheepe1	tos9: I don't think trial is going to be much help. I've set up the CI to run this instead, and most of my previously passing tests are now failing for some reason... It's true that there's no error indicating that the cython extension wasn't found, but that may be just because it's obscured by all these other errors...
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2019-07-05 14:47:16	astronavt	jfhbrook, i wonder if you can pass __metaclass__ in dict=
2019-07-05 14:47:20	jfhbrook	oh wait dang this isn't doing what I think it's doing haha
2019-07-05 14:47:32	jfhbrook	or maybe it is 🤔
2019-07-05 14:47:36	jfhbrook	but yeah maybe!
2019-07-05 14:47:47	sheepe1	tos9: it very much seems like trial doesn't respect `setUpClass`
2019-07-05 14:47:58	astronavt	oh wait no
2019-07-05 14:48:02	jfhbrook	trying a different strategy - I'm trying to dynamically generate marshmallow schemas and it does a lot of weird metaclass stuff so inheriting twice breaks them
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2019-07-05 14:48:08	jfhbrook	unless you manually set the schema
2019-07-05 14:48:12	astronavt	jfhbrook, no the way to do it would be to call my_metaclass()
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2019-07-05 14:48:25	astronavt	type(name, bases, dict) creates a new instance of type
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2019-07-05 14:48:31	astronavt	a metaclass is a subclass of type
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2019-07-05 14:48:51	astronavt	ergo if you want to create a new instance of the metaclass, you call the metaclass' constructor and not type()
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2019-07-05 14:50:46	tos9	sheepe1: It indeed does not (that's the one thing it deviates from, and for good reason, setUpClass is a very bad thing :)
2019-07-05 14:51:04	tos9	So yeah if you use it, you might very well not be able to use trial.
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2019-07-05 14:51:51	sheepe1	tos9: Why would it be a bad thing. If I have things that take a bit to set up, and I make sure to not change during the tests, than that seems like a much better idea than to have to set it up before each and every test.
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2019-07-05 15:01:43	runciter	it breaks disttrial for one
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2019-07-05 15:03:05	runciter	it also interacts badly with subclassing, which happens a lot with xunit
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2019-07-05 15:03:25	runciter	you can fake it with lazy initialization in setUp
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2019-07-05 15:06:13	runciter	teardown is harder; i usually just let the thing live for the duration of a test process
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2019-07-05 15:29:48	mithrison	how can I get wlan0 info from ifconfig using python?
2019-07-05 15:29:53	mithrison	python3
2019-07-05 15:31:13	altendky	mithrison: I forget how much but psutil has some networking stuff
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2019-07-05 15:33:24	altendky	jfhbrook: did you figure out the schema generation? I don't remember all of it but I've got it working in graham. Though I don't think I did multiple inheritance.
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2019-07-05 15:33:43	purplex88	where can i find interface.rstrip() function? i get error interface not found
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2019-07-05 15:34:12	Wooble	purplex88: rstrip is a string method. where did you see "interface"?
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2019-07-05 15:34:58	purplex88	let me see
2019-07-05 15:35:34	purplex88	ah yes i see
2019-07-05 15:35:42	purplex88	i saw it here: interface = popen('ifconfig | awk \'/eth0/ {print $1}\'').read()
2019-07-05 15:35:56	Wooble	gross.
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2019-07-05 15:36:08	monoprotic	my eyes
2019-07-05 15:36:17	purplex88	eyes?
2019-07-05 15:36:31	purplex88	you mean it is not good code?
2019-07-05 15:36:33	Wooble	purplex88: where did you find this horrible code?
2019-07-05 15:36:56	purplex88	in file from web
2019-07-05 15:37:03	purplex88	does it use regex?
2019-07-05 15:37:23	purplex88	it does look complicated
2019-07-05 15:37:34	Wooble	purplex88: I *think* /eth0/ there is treated as a regex; I don't really know awk.
2019-07-05 15:37:48	Wooble	(or why someone would call awk in a python program. I don't know that at all.)
2019-07-05 15:38:17	waynew	that's an atrocity is what that is :P
2019-07-05 15:38:26	purplex88	it seems linux only
2019-07-05 15:38:33	confluency	purplex88: yes, that uses regex in awk. That awk program prints each line which matches that regex.
2019-07-05 15:39:04	purplex88	i think its bad way to get network interface
2019-07-05 15:39:08	Wooble	grep would have been shorter. also just as dumb.
2019-07-05 15:39:12	purplex88	thats why horrible?
2019-07-05 15:39:17	confluency	Well, it't not great, no/
2019-07-05 15:39:19	jwhisnant	purplex88: there is a cross platform python module for this, dont remember name atm
2019-07-05 15:39:35	waynew	because you can just read it into Python. Or, use a module that exists and is designed for the task
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2019-07-05 15:39:51	purplex88	but it is horrible because of regex?
2019-07-05 15:39:58	monoprotic	Wooble: awk also pulls out the first token there
2019-07-05 15:40:02	purplex88	of the way it is getting interface
2019-07-05 15:40:04	purplex88	or*
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2019-07-05 15:40:29	jwhisnant	purplex88: https://pypi.org/project/netifaces/ perhaps
2019-07-05 15:40:35	astronavt	Wooble, yeah that awk program will print the first "field" of any line that contains "eth0" in it
2019-07-05 15:40:35	_habnabit	what platform still stupports ifconfig?
2019-07-05 15:40:50	purplex88	_habnabit: linux
2019-07-05 15:41:01	astronavt	Wooble, [line.split()[0] for line in output if re.search('eth0', line)]
2019-07-05 15:41:04	_habnabit	purplex88, 'linux' isn't a platform. what userland?
2019-07-05 15:41:04	runciter	purplex88, `ip -json link list`
2019-07-05 15:41:17	monoprotic	astronavt: `if 'eth0' in line`
2019-07-05 15:41:26	purplex88	any linux based land i guess
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2019-07-05 15:41:40	runciter	you will almost certainly have iproute2, so you can use the `ip` suite, which can output json
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2019-07-05 15:41:48	astronavt	monoprotic, well awk uses regex by default re.search would be more like what awk actually does
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2019-07-05 15:42:12	confluency	Actually... I don't know what this is supposed to do. If the line matches eth0 it will print the first "field" in the line, which is... eth0, which you already know.
2019-07-05 15:42:53	nedbat__	ugh, I find myself in another bugs.python.org debate which I will likely lose: https://bugs.python.org/issue37500
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2019-07-08 09:35:21	blackswan	in python 2.7, supposed i have this expression:      lambda self: big_hairy_expression_involving_self_i_do_not_want_to_type_twice
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2019-07-08 09:36:32	blackswan	and would like to have lambda: self "replacement" if big_hairy_expression_involving_self_i_do_not_want_to_type_twice == "thing_to_replace" else big_hairy_expression_involving_self_i_do_not_want_to_type_twice
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2019-07-08 09:37:02	sincorchetes	Hello all, I have this problem. When I try to compress a directory in Windows likes C:\Users\sincorchetes\Downloads\example with this script https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/Q6QJqMjl44Cy3XYu0AERTQ. I get this error: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/2p43NI8zp2g0Gyv1zsWu8Q . However, If I use "." like current directory, works fine. Why?
2019-07-08 09:37:09	blackswan	is there some concise way to say this without typing big_hairy_expression_involving_self_i_do_not_want_to_type_twice twice?
2019-07-08 09:38:07	blackswan	i.e., i effectively want to assign big_hairy_expression_involving_self_i_do_not_want_to_type_twice to a variable with a nice short name local to the lambda so i can then say "replacement" if nice_short_name else nice_shortname
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2019-07-08 09:38:38	blackswan	but there seems to be no way to hide an assignment statement inside an expression.
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2019-07-08 09:40:10	sincorchetes	My script works in Linux
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2019-07-08 09:40:35	sincorchetes	And works if I introduce "." likes current dir in Windows, but not absolute path
2019-07-08 09:40:35	blackswan	in c, i could use an assignment statement as an expression and use the comma operator, and have something like (tmp= big_hairy_expression_involving_self_i_do_not_want_to_type_twice, (tmp == "thing_to_replace ? "replacement" else tmp)
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2019-07-08 09:41:55	tos9	benjwadams: Define a regular funciton.
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2019-07-08 09:42:15	ksk	hola
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2019-07-08 09:42:23	blackswan	so, am i correct in thinking there's no way to do an assignment to a temp variable in an expression?
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2019-07-08 09:42:29	han-solo	ksk: hola
2019-07-08 09:42:34	CoolerZ	what does this mean? TypeError: __int__ returned non-int (type NoneType)
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2019-07-08 09:42:44	CoolerZ	the input to int() was None ?
2019-07-08 09:42:44	cdunklau	CoolerZ: means you probably misspelled __init__
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2019-07-08 09:42:47	blackswan	i'd have to define a function elsewhere to achieve this?
2019-07-08 09:42:51	CoolerZ	cdunklau, no
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2019-07-08 09:43:11	cdunklau	CoolerZ: then it means somewhere you have an __int__ method that didn't return an int
2019-07-08 09:43:13	SnoopJeDi	CoolerZ, it means something called __int__() expecting to turn your object into an integer, and the function returned None
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2019-07-08 09:43:26	SnoopJeDi	(or didn't explicitly return at all, which is the same thing)
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2019-07-08 09:43:36	han-solo	# TypeError: int() argument must be a string, a bytes-like object or a number, not 'NoneType'
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2019-07-08 09:43:40	cdunklau	blackswan: indeed
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2019-07-08 09:44:03	asdfgh	hello guys
2019-07-08 09:44:03	ksk	I want to have a python application which gets data via API foo, and pushes that data to API bar - can you recommend something? (I know requests for example, is there anything more specific to my task maybe?)
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2019-07-08 09:44:20	han-solo	cdunklau: can `__init__` method return anything other than `None` ?
2019-07-08 09:44:29	ksk	API being two restful HTTP APIs in that case.
2019-07-08 09:44:30	cdunklau	han-solo: no
2019-07-08 09:44:46	han-solo	# cdunklau> CoolerZ: then it means somewhere you have an __int__ method that didn't return an int # that confused me
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2019-07-08 09:44:52	CoolerZ	-> 3345     logits = tf.reshape(output, [-1, int(output_shape[-1])])
2019-07-08 09:44:57	cdunklau	han-solo: __int__ != __init__
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2019-07-08 09:45:01	han-solo	ah
2019-07-08 09:45:04	han-solo	f..
2019-07-08 09:45:09	CoolerZ	maybe the tuple was empty?
2019-07-08 09:45:17	blackswan	ok, thx cdunklau. just checking. i use so many different languages it is sometimes difficult to keep track of what you can do how in which.
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2019-07-08 09:45:23	cdunklau	CoolerZ: i'd expect an IndexError in that case
2019-07-08 09:45:23	Wooble	blackswan: in py3.8 you could do it but also probably don't write lambdas that long. (or even short ones)
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2019-07-08 09:45:54	cdunklau	CoolerZ: what's type(output_shape[-1]) say
2019-07-08 09:46:11	saml	is datetime.date mutable? can I use it as default argument?
2019-07-08 09:46:15	conor_f	Is there any way I can run a shell command and for each line of the output run a function?
2019-07-08 09:46:17	cdunklau	saml: no, yes
2019-07-08 09:46:18	CoolerZ	cdunklau, yeah
2019-07-08 09:46:19	blackswan	thx, Wooble. i can't use 3.8 for this, afaik. something i'm using, i forget what, requires 2.7. i think.
2019-07-08 09:46:29	conor_f	The output doesn't terminate, just runs indefinitely so will be on a Thread
2019-07-08 09:46:29	CoolerZ	cdunklau, all of that is deep in library code
2019-07-08 09:46:34	CoolerZ	i can't say for sure
2019-07-08 09:46:41	cdunklau	CoolerZ: use a debugger?
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2019-07-08 09:46:58	Wooble	blackswan: 3.8 isn't even released yet so most people can't really use it in production unless they're really bleeding edge and don't mind being cut to ribbons :)
2019-07-08 09:47:01	saml	thanks
2019-07-08 09:47:08	blackswan	well, i meant 3.anything.
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2019-07-08 09:47:24	cdunklau	conor_f: subprocess.Popen, and loop over the returned object's .stdout
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2019-07-08 09:48:10	CoolerZ	cdunklau, how does that work anyway
2019-07-08 09:48:21	blackswan	in this particular project i have so many dependencies i'm not even sure if i'm legally allowed to run it due to license conflicts...
2019-07-08 09:48:21	asdfgh	pardon guys for the stupid question, should i "define" an empty method with "pass" if i always use that method from the class that inherits First class http://paste.arn-fai.net/?2911353
2019-07-08 09:48:22	cdunklau	CoolerZ: how does what work
2019-07-08 09:48:37	cdunklau	asdfgh: ideally you wouldn't use inheritance at all
2019-07-08 09:48:38	asdfgh	from line 2 to 3, makes any sense?
2019-07-08 09:48:45	asdfgh	cdunklau, why ?
2019-07-08 09:48:45	CoolerZ	cdunklau, a debugger in jupyter notebook
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2019-07-08 09:48:51	cdunklau	CoolerZ: i dunno
2019-07-08 09:49:10	cdunklau	asdfgh: that link 500s for me
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2019-07-08 09:49:24	asdfgh	http://paste.arn-fai.net/?2911353 cdunklau  ?
2019-07-08 09:49:31	asdfgh	can't open it ?
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2019-07-08 09:49:38	cdunklau	asdfgh: inheritance tends to be misuesd
2019-07-08 09:49:41	Wooble	asdfgh: link doesn't work for me but the "correct" was is to make the method abstract with the abc module and the "more correct" way is to not do that :)
2019-07-08 09:49:42	cdunklau	misused, even
2019-07-08 09:50:01	blackswan	and the lambda just got so long for other reasons that it's no longer a lambda anyway
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2019-07-08 09:50:11	han-solo	oh, it got a 500 for me too
2019-07-08 09:50:18	han-solo	but it works after i tried again
2019-07-08 09:50:22	asdfgh	ok i will try to not use it :D
2019-07-08 09:50:25	asdfgh	thanks guys
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2019-07-08 09:51:06	littlepython	how can i find the top 5 process that consumes high cpu in python
2019-07-08 09:51:16	asdfgh	han-solo, for security reason :D ahahah
2019-07-08 09:51:23	asdfgh	i donot know
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2019-07-08 09:51:37	asdfgh	i used a stupid nopaste service
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2019-07-08 09:51:45	littlepython	for p in psutil.process_iter():  p.dict = p.as_dict(['name', 'cpu_percent'])
2019-07-08 09:52:05	littlepython	would be great if someone could explain how to approach through a snippet
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2019-07-08 09:56:42	_ceb	I'm not familiar with this
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2019-07-08 09:57:13	_ceb	But can't you use list() and then sort() with key='cpu_percent'
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2019-07-08 09:57:32	SnoopJeDi	littlepython, you probably want something like `sorted(process_iter(), key=lambda p: p.cpu_percent(), reverse=True)[:5]`
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2019-07-08 09:57:59	mrtnt	Which of those two approaches is cleaner or more elegant: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/b37ca40d vs https://paste.debian.net/plainh/13a90cb7 For me the second one looks better..
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2019-07-08 09:58:59	cdunklau	mrtnt: the latter
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2019-07-08 09:59:16	cdunklau	mrtnt: [''] * 7 is even better
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2019-07-08 09:59:35	cdunklau	(just don't do that if you actually have a mutable object instead of a string)
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2019-07-08 10:00:30	mrtnt	cdunklau: oh, I didn't know that "[''] * 7" is possible. Thanks!
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2019-07-08 10:06:25	littlepython	SnoopJeDi: i want to print top 5 process consuming high cpus
2019-07-08 10:06:43	tos9	mrtnt: Multiplying any built in sequence does the same thing.
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2019-07-08 10:07:06	littlepython	as of now pids are printed in a ascending order from pid 1 to pid 5 , however it doesnt print cpu for that process
2019-07-08 10:07:25	littlepython	or it doesnt print all the top 5 process consuming high cpus
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2019-07-08 10:15:50	Wooble	littlepython: when you sort it by cpu_percent it's still in order by PID?
2019-07-08 10:15:52	foo	Anyone in here use and love vscode IDE? I have a friend who raves about it.
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2019-07-08 10:16:23	grym	foo: it's all down to personal preference, but vscode is certainly a very competent tool
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2019-07-08 10:17:50	ssbr`	VSCode's advantages are a lot less important as an editor for Python vs, say, Rust or C#.
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2019-07-08 10:18:03	foo	grym: yeah. I'm still stuck in vim. Old habits die hard, heh.
2019-07-08 10:18:07	foo	ssbr`: huh, good to know - thanks.
2019-07-08 10:18:11	ssbr`	aside from using Electron it's really good though.
2019-07-08 10:18:21	foo	ssbr`: thanks for sharing.
2019-07-08 10:18:45	grym	it's got the features i like; multi-caret support is fantastic
2019-07-08 10:18:54	grym	as i learned from sublime
2019-07-08 10:18:55	foo	grym: what's that?
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2019-07-08 10:19:16	foo	grym: so you came from sublime, hmm. I'm tempted to recommend it to someone else currently on sublime 3
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2019-07-08 10:19:37	grym	foo: repeatedly pressing C-d when you have some text highlighted adds a new caret at the next occurrence and you can edit them both simultaneously
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2019-07-08 10:19:52	grym	foo: i came from emacs, and use vscode sparingly; i do a lot of my python work in pycharm
2019-07-08 10:20:04	grym	though i've used full-blown VS extensively
2019-07-08 10:20:06	grym	(for c#)
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2019-07-08 10:20:30	littlepython	SnoopJeDi
2019-07-08 10:20:31	littlepython	>>> sorted(psutil.process_iter(), key=lambda p: p.cpu_percent(), reverse=True)[:5][psutil.Process(pid=1, name='systemd', started='2019-06-21 06:07:01'), psutil.Process(pid=2, name='kthreadd', started='2019-06-21 06:07:01'), psutil.Process(pid=4, name='kworker/0:0H', started='2019-06-21 06:07:01'), psutil.Process(pid=6, name='mm_percpu_wq', started=
2019-07-08 10:20:31	littlepython	'2019-06-21 06:07:01'), psutil.Process(pid=7, name='ksoftirqd/0', started='2019-06-21 06:07:01')]
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2019-07-08 10:21:01	foo	grym: thanks for sharing!
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2019-07-08 10:21:26	ssbr`	Is there a tool for systematically deleting bits of python code to boil down something into a minimal reproducing example?
2019-07-08 10:21:31	ssbr`	I know D and Rust have things like that.
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2019-07-08 10:22:14	yitz	We got a tool at work that tells you if changing/deleting a line causes a unit test to fail
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2019-07-08 10:27:07	tos9	ssbr`: there are fuzzers
2019-07-08 10:27:17	tos9	I want to say nedbat wrote an article about them at one point
2019-07-08 10:27:27	tos9	but... the one we always try to remember the name of is called... pirate something
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2019-07-08 10:27:38	tos9	and jester. I think that's another -- or pester, I think is the python one
2019-07-08 10:27:46	ssbr`	tos9: I don't want to fuzz it, I just want to get rid of unnecessary code
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2019-07-08 10:27:53	tos9	ssbr`: There's also hypothesis's shrinking which I'm sure you know of
2019-07-08 10:27:55	ssbr`	I have a complex failure where manually trying to reproduce it causes it to not fail
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2019-07-08 10:28:09	ssbr`	tos9: I want to shrink the code, not the input data
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2019-07-08 10:28:28	tos9	ssbr`: right ok, so mutation testing
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2019-07-08 10:28:41	ssbr`	no, not mutation testing at all
2019-07-08 10:28:44	ssbr`	it's more like bisect
2019-07-08 10:28:53	tos9	...
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2019-07-08 10:29:13	ssbr`	tos9: I want to delete half the file, see if the failure still reproduces, etc.
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2019-07-08 10:29:18	tos9	ssbr`: Right.
2019-07-08 10:29:21	tos9	ssbr`: E.g.: https://cosmic-ray.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
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2019-07-08 10:29:39	ssbr`	tos9: like I said, not mutation testing
2019-07-08 10:29:47	ssbr`	mutation testing checks if the code still passes if you alter it slightly
2019-07-08 10:29:54	ssbr`	still passes tests*
2019-07-08 10:30:04	ssbr`	e.g. replacing if ... with if True:
2019-07-08 10:30:29	tos9	Ahhh right, because you want minimal reproducers, soryr.
2019-07-08 10:30:36	ssbr`	I'm just gonna try to find the Rust thing and link that so that we are sure to be talking about the same thing
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2019-07-08 10:32:28	ssbr`	I found the D thing instead: https://github.com/CyberShadow/DustMite/wiki
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2019-07-08 10:34:50	tshirtman	i don't know if there is something like afl+ for python, would be nice
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2019-07-08 10:35:09	tshirtman	http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/afl/
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2019-07-08 10:35:43	tshirtman	well, there is hypothesis that is remotely related
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2019-07-08 10:41:35	ssbr`	tshirtman: again, not a fuzzer
2019-07-08 10:41:38	ssbr`	screw it I'm writing it myself
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2019-07-08 10:55:27	twainwek	abstract matplotlib.funcanimation question. in my update function i update a two Line2D objects using `set_data` and rendering slows down quit a bit as it progresses. i have `blit` set to false, but i don't suspect that can be the reason behind it. anyone have any idea why its slowing down, and/or how i can speed it up?
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2019-07-09 13:29:38	tourjin	hi is somebody here? can I ask a question?
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2019-07-09 13:29:52	Wooble	tourjin: sure; don't ask to ask.
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2019-07-09 13:35:07	fuze	can this script run on windows? https://github.com/khaudio/mc-stock
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2019-07-09 13:36:41	fuze	when it says "instantiate a Clerk" is that a python thing or specific to the script?
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2019-07-09 13:38:14	tourjin	AttributeError: module 'oauth' has no attribute 'OAuthConsumer' I have this error message. I googled it they say i should import oauth2 as oauth. but i think i don't have correct oauth2 module.
2019-07-09 13:38:17	tshirtman	fuze: it's from the lib https://github.com/khaudio/mc-stock/blob/master/mcstock/mcstock.py#L230
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2019-07-09 13:38:47	fuze	tshirtman: I don'
2019-07-09 13:39:02	tourjin	python3-oauth2client/bionic,now 4.1.2-3 all [installed] this is what i get from 'apt list |grep 'oauth2'
2019-07-09 13:39:03	fuze	tshirtman: I don't have much experience with python, should I start by running the setup.py?
2019-07-09 13:39:04	dantelocke	tourjin, are you sure you
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2019-07-09 13:39:22	dantelocke	re not mixing up python2 and 3?
2019-07-09 13:39:28	tshirtman	fuze: setup.py is there to install the program in your local python library
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2019-07-09 13:39:32	tshirtman	(site-packages)
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2019-07-09 13:39:51	tshirtman	it can be useful if you want to use that lib from other scripts
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2019-07-09 13:40:23	tourjin	I have only python3 installed.
2019-07-09 13:40:25	tshirtman	you can do `python setup.py install --user` to install it for your user, or if you made a virtualenv (you'll know if you did), you can remove the --user part
2019-07-09 13:40:29	tshirtman	fuze
2019-07-09 13:41:00	fuze	tshirtman: How do I install module 'aiohttp'
2019-07-09 13:41:25	tshirtman	use `pip install --user -r requirements.txt` to install all the required modules in your site packages
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2019-07-09 13:41:44	tshirtman	(including aiohttp)
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2019-07-09 13:43:37	tourjin	I see only one item relative with oauth2 . python3-oauth2client  . it's installed . but I can't import oauth2 in interpreter.
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2019-07-09 13:43:47	fuze	tshirtman: I think I might have made a virtualenv  when I first installed python a while back. Will it fail with --user if i dont have one?
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2019-07-09 13:45:05	tourjin	i'm using wsl. python3
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2019-07-09 13:45:55	tshirtman	fuze: if the virtualenv is not active, it's not an issue, if it fails telling you you are in a virtualenv, just remove the --user, it won't cause any trouble
2019-07-09 13:46:21	tourjin	what should i check more to load oauth2 ? >>> import oauth2
2019-07-09 13:46:21	tourjin	Traceback (most recent call last):
2019-07-09 13:46:21	tourjin	  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
2019-07-09 13:46:21	tourjin	ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'oauth2'
2019-07-09 13:46:44	RoseBus	tourjin, pip install oauth2
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2019-07-09 13:47:20	fuze	tshirtman https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Fu2ccRke/
2019-07-09 13:47:53	tourjin	apt does not work? i don't have pip installed.
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2019-07-09 13:48:30	fuze	tshirtman: does that mean brlapi is not supported on windows for that version
2019-07-09 13:48:30	baldpope	I have a list of IPs, some of them are duplicates, I want to filter/sort the list to end up with a list of IPs that are unique (dotted / CIDR form) -
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2019-07-09 13:49:10	grym	baldpope: list(set(my_ip_list))
2019-07-09 13:49:10	baldpope	any suggestions on filtering/sorting a list and removing duplicates?
2019-07-09 13:49:17	acresearch	people what dies this syntax mean?   if i % (k+1) == 0:
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2019-07-09 13:49:28	acresearch	i is an integer from a for loop
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2019-07-09 13:49:34	grym	acresearch: "if i is evenly divisible by k+1"
2019-07-09 13:49:40	acresearch	grym: ah
2019-07-09 13:49:45	tshirtman	fuze: i don't know brlapi, seems to be a braille interface, not sure why it's needed by that package
2019-07-09 13:49:46	deniska	acresearch: % is modulo
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2019-07-09 13:49:53	deniska	(basically, remainder)
2019-07-09 13:49:57	acresearch	i see
2019-07-09 13:50:04	roxfan	can a number be oddly divisible?
2019-07-09 13:50:04	tshirtman	maybe try to remove that line from requirements.txt if you think it can work without it
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2019-07-09 13:50:11	tshirtman	fuze:
2019-07-09 13:50:11	grym	roxfan: sure, then you have a remainder
2019-07-09 13:50:17	grym	roxfan: or a non-integer result
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2019-07-09 13:51:05	roxfan	i think "divisible" already implies no remainder
2019-07-09 13:51:06	fuze	tshirtman: same error with cupshelpers
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2019-07-09 13:51:13	acresearch	i am trying setup a for loop where every 3 loop some printout comes
2019-07-09 13:51:19	tshirtman	fuze: i don't think this one is neede either
2019-07-09 13:51:22	tshirtman	needed*
2019-07-09 13:51:24	tshirtman	it's for printing
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2019-07-09 13:52:05	tshirtman	i think the author just put everything they had installed in their environment and put it in that file, just to be sure nothing was missing :/
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2019-07-09 13:52:11	grym	acresearch: `for i, value in enumerate(mylist):; if i%3==0:print('every third')`
2019-07-09 13:52:20	fuze	tshirtman: Yea it seems like it. cups is physical printer drivers right?
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2019-07-09 13:52:56	tshirtman	it's to interface with the common unix printing system, used to print on linux and osx
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2019-07-09 13:53:11	tshirtman	there are many things in that requirements.txt that don't seem useful
2019-07-09 13:53:23	baldpope	thanks grym - that looks like it'll do nicely
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2019-07-09 13:53:41	tshirtman	i guess forget about the requirements.txt, run the program, see what's missing when it crashes, and use pip install to install it
2019-07-09 13:53:54	tshirtman	(no -r, just --user and the package name)
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2019-07-09 13:55:01	fuze	tshirtman: lol all it needed was aiohttp
2019-07-09 13:55:04	tshirtman	(kivy, tornado, promptoolkit, jupyter, pyserial, pyinstaller, lol all these things don't make any sense together)
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2019-07-09 13:55:44	tshirtman	great, hope the code is better quality than the packaging :D
2019-07-09 13:56:00	 *	tshirtman back to fighting javascript/flow
2019-07-09 13:56:01	tshirtman	:'(
2019-07-09 13:56:08	kapsh	At least something will work, you know.
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2019-07-09 13:56:43	kapsh	That reminds me.
2019-07-09 13:56:45	stiv2k_	is it possible to read a text file by tokens instead of by lines
2019-07-09 13:56:58	kapsh	How can I convince my colleagues to install work project into virtualenv?
2019-07-09 13:57:01	grym	stiv2k_: what's a token
2019-07-09 13:57:03	_habnabit	stiv2k_, text files don't read by tokens or lines. but what's a token?
2019-07-09 13:57:10	kapsh	Or, at least, don't use sudo pip install?
2019-07-09 13:57:15	acresearch	grym: http://paste.debian.net/1090976/   but i don't get what i expect
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2019-07-09 13:57:49	stiv2k_	grym: _habnabit: anything that is not whitespace
2019-07-09 13:57:53	tshirtman	kapsh: tells them everybody including the pip maintainers and linux distro maintainers are horrified when somebody does that, and that it'll break their machine
2019-07-09 13:57:54	stiv2k_	or line ending
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2019-07-09 13:58:23	Wooble	stiv2k_: line endings are whitespace so you were fine with the first definition although that's an odd definition.
2019-07-09 13:58:25	stiv2k_	for example i was reading line by line and then using line.Split() to break it up into tokens
2019-07-09 13:58:26	tshirtman	--user is kind of an easy and cleaner replacement to sudo pip install, as it won't hurt the system as much
2019-07-09 13:58:32	tshirtman	if they don't want to care about virtualenv
2019-07-09 13:58:39	stiv2k_	but i'd like to do away with the line by line part and just do token by token
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2019-07-09 13:59:04	_habnabit	stiv2k_, iterating by line and then splitting each sounds fine to me
2019-07-09 13:59:05	grym	acresearch: that's correct behavior, what's the problem
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2019-07-09 13:59:14	kapsh	tshirtman, that I tried. They kinda still thinks "this way it will SURE work".
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2019-07-09 13:59:30	acresearch	grym: i get 1 zero for every 3 ones    i want the opposite
2019-07-09 13:59:32	_habnabit	stiv2k_, you might make your own generator function if you want the interface to be iterating over tokens directly
2019-07-09 13:59:42	grym	kapsh: `export PIP_REQUIRE_VIRTUALENV=1` and stuff it into system shell rc :)
2019-07-09 13:59:42	stiv2k_	_habnabit: hmmm
2019-07-09 13:59:50	grym	acresearch: ok, so invert what you print
2019-07-09 13:59:52	_habnabit	acresearch, so swap the if and else branches?
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2019-07-09 14:00:29	tshirtman	kapsh: well, i guess the only option left is to change coworkers
2019-07-09 14:00:31	acresearch	_habnabit: no i mean this is an example    the code is long,   i need to fix the if statement
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2019-07-09 14:00:47	grym	acresearch: the usual confusion about modular division is that it's one of the things in the world where 0 means True
2019-07-09 14:00:48	_habnabit	acresearch, do you know how to invert == ?
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2019-07-09 14:01:02	acresearch	_habnabit: no   how?
2019-07-09 14:01:06	_habnabit	acresearch, !=
2019-07-09 14:01:07	acresearch	!=   ?
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2019-07-09 14:01:10	acresearch	aahhhh i ok
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2019-07-09 14:01:17	kapsh	grym, wow that's something I didn't know. Thanks.
2019-07-09 14:01:25	grym	kapsh: it's rude but effective :)
2019-07-09 14:01:42	Wooble	grym: only if they sudo -e
2019-07-09 14:01:55	grym	(i mean, you can override it easily, but it'll be annoying )
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2019-07-09 14:03:14	kapsh	tshirtman, grym well I'm trying to advice them to use their own environments on personal PC effective. For infrastructure thing I did constant virtualenv trick already.
2019-07-09 14:03:18	tourjin	pip install oauth2
2019-07-09 14:03:21	tourjin	Installing collected packages: httplib2, oauth2
2019-07-09 14:03:21	tourjin	Successfully installed httplib2-0.13.0 oauth2-1.9.0.post1
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2019-07-09 14:03:30	_habnabit	tourjin, please don't paste here
2019-07-09 14:03:31	tourjin	but still cant load oauth2
2019-07-09 14:03:35	kapsh	Hm, perhaps just bruteforce their passwords?
2019-07-09 14:03:40	tourjin	ok sorry
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2019-07-09 14:04:14	tshirtman	kapsh: tell them that other people like me learned the lesson the hard way when tools from the system using requests started to fail because some pip install had installed a newer version
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2019-07-09 14:04:24	tshirtman	it was a pretty unfun situation to get out of
2019-07-09 14:04:39	Wooble	tourjin: are you sure `pip` is for the same python you're actually running? are you using a virtualenv?
2019-07-09 14:04:55	tourjin	wsl
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2019-07-09 14:05:07	fuze	tshirtman: thanks, seems to be working
2019-07-09 14:05:42	kapsh	tshirtman, nice rationale, I will try it.
2019-07-09 14:06:06	tourjin	wsl ubuntu . I don't know what virtualenv is.
2019-07-09 14:06:10	stiv2k_	_habnabit: basically i feel like it would make my life easier if i can just request the next X tokens regardless of how many lines they span
2019-07-09 14:06:22	Wooble	tourjin: are you running pip as root?
2019-07-09 14:06:34	grym	kapsh: you can lead a horse to water... you can't make them drink, but you also can make them fix their own broken systems and refuse to help until they learn :-P
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2019-07-09 14:06:42	stiv2k_	instead of having to go to the end of the line, count how many tokens it was, then go to the next line, count more tokens, until i get to the one i want
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2019-07-09 14:07:07	_habnabit	stiv2k_, so make your own iterator over tokens
2019-07-09 14:07:28	stiv2k_	_habnabit: as a python n00b, that sounds intimidating
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2019-07-09 14:07:37	_habnabit	stiv2k_, it's super easy
2019-07-09 14:08:00	tshirtman	kapsh: do you help them when their env is broken? if you do, and that's why you ask them to stop breaking it, i'd say stop helping, or at least tell them you'll stop.
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2019-07-09 14:08:40	stiv2k_	_habnabit: link to where i can learn more about it?
2019-07-09 14:08:40	_habnabit	infobob, redent stiv2k_ def iter_tokens(yourfile): for line in yourfile: yield from line.split()
2019-07-09 14:08:41	infobob	stiv2k_, https://bpaste.net/show/aWt1
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2019-07-09 14:09:05	tourjin	sudo pip install oauth2
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2019-07-09 14:09:20	tourjin	uccessfully installed oauth2-1.9.0.post1
2019-07-09 14:09:34	Wooble	tourjin: well at least you'll only break your WSL install and not your entire machine, but still don't run pip as root.
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2019-07-09 14:10:38	Wooble	tourjin: compare the output of pip -V and python -m site and see if you're installing for the wrong python.
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2019-07-09 14:11:33	tourjin	yes i get it but i tried both. pip install oauth2 as user and as root .. uninstall reinstall
2019-07-09 14:12:01	_habnabit	tourjin, don't just run commands to see what works
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2019-07-09 14:13:31	tourjin	ok thanks.
2019-07-09 14:13:33	kapsh	tshirtman, my only help was writing virtualenv instruction (we're not software devs here), but refusing to help was fun only first couple of times. Now I'm just annoyed by people who don't want to change their habits.
2019-07-09 14:13:33	saml	in psycopg2,   cursor.execute(...);  cursor.rowcount;  cursor.rowcount;    accessing cursor.rowcount  multiple times would change its value?
2019-07-09 14:13:43	kapsh	But I will remember your recommendations, thank you both.
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2019-07-09 14:14:57	_habnabit	saml, uhhh it shouldn't change
2019-07-09 14:15:08	tourjin	i'm using wsl ubuntu. is'nt pip debian package? can I use it on my wsl?
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2019-07-09 14:15:54	tshirtman	tourjin: it's in ubuntu (which is a debian derivative), you can install it with apt install python-pip
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2019-07-09 14:15:55	Wooble	tourjin: you need to run the pip that belongs to the python you're running. if you're using /usr/bin/python and installed "python-pip" they're probably the same but you should check with pip -V and python -m site
2019-07-09 14:16:08	tshirtman	or python3-pip if you want it for python3
2019-07-09 14:16:13	saml	hrm so weird.   _log.info('deleted: %s', cursor.rowcount);   statsd.gauge('deleted', cursor.rowcount)      in log, it says deleted: 1000;   but statsd reports 5000
2019-07-09 14:16:29	stiv2k_	_habnabit: hold while i study this
2019-07-09 14:16:31	tshirtman	in case of doubt, you can always use `python -m pip` just like you would use `pip`
2019-07-09 14:16:40	tshirtman	(works with python3 too of course)
2019-07-09 14:16:43	saml	i guess statsd agent or something could be summing up gague
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2019-07-09 14:16:57	saml	if multiple processes write to the agent
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2019-07-09 14:17:03	stiv2k_	_habnabit: 'yield' is new to me
2019-07-09 14:17:14	tourjin	yes I installed python-pip .. ah.. then I should use python-pip rather than pip.. right?
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2019-07-09 14:17:26	_habnabit	saml, it's 100% not changing
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2019-07-09 14:17:40	_habnabit	saml, statsd is doing something you didn't expect
2019-07-09 14:17:50	_habnabit	stiv2k_, yield is how you make iterators
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2019-07-09 14:18:10	stiv2k_	_habnabit: interesting.... ok so instead of using yourfile i should put fp.readline()
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2019-07-09 14:18:26	stiv2k_	or in the caller i will say iter_tokens(fp.readline())
2019-07-09 14:18:43	_habnabit	stiv2k_, no. `for token in iter_tokens(fp):`
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2019-07-09 14:18:49	stiv2k_	oh
2019-07-09 14:19:00	stiv2k_	so i dont need to call readline at all ?
2019-07-09 14:19:06	_habnabit	stiv2k_, iterating already does
2019-07-09 14:19:12	stiv2k_	okay, even better
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2019-07-09 14:19:16	stiv2k_	let me give it a try
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2019-07-09 14:20:13	kapsh	tourjin, no you don't, python-pip contains pip binary (will work for python 2.7) and python3-pip should have pip3 (let me check my wsl for exact version).
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2019-07-09 14:20:28	JordiGH	Wow, this is maddening. I'm experiencing a bug that only happens in a particular gunicorn process.
2019-07-09 14:20:37	JordiGH	A Django bug.
2019-07-09 14:20:52	ikanobori	Heh?
2019-07-09 14:21:02	JordiGH	I can use gdb to grab that gunicorn process but I can't get past the gunicorn code.
2019-07-09 14:21:08	JordiGH	And it's a worker process.
2019-07-09 14:21:18	JordiGH	If I stop it too long with gdb, the supervisor kills my debugged process.
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2019-07-09 14:21:25	JordiGH	And I haven't been able to repro this without gunicorn.
2019-07-09 14:21:41	ikanobori	Aha, what is the actual bug?
2019-07-09 14:21:45	ikanobori	As in, what does it do.
2019-07-09 14:21:53	tourjin	hmm. there is python-pip installed. but there is no python-pip command. only pip command.
2019-07-09 14:22:02	JordiGH	The actual bug is that one of my Django widgets sometimes renders as "None" instead of the actual HTML ("<select >...</select>").
2019-07-09 14:22:14	ikanobori	That sounds... unlikely to be gunicorn related?
2019-07-09 14:22:21	ikanobori	How did you come to the conclusion that it's that?
2019-07-09 14:22:21	JordiGH	It's process-related.
2019-07-09 14:22:26	TML	tourjin: your distro names the Python pacakge "thing" as "python-thing"
2019-07-09 14:22:26	JordiGH	Only happens in a certain process
2019-07-09 14:22:35	JordiGH	I can't repro it otherwise.
2019-07-09 14:22:46	TML	tourjin: so what your distro vendor calls "python-pip", we call "pip"
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2019-07-09 14:22:53	JordiGH	And the only kind of process I've been able to repro it in is the ones created by gunicorn.
2019-07-09 14:23:09	ikanobori	So you mean 'when I run my django application through gunicorn sometimes something is None'?
2019-07-09 14:23:17	JordiGH	If I pay attention to which gunicorn process is serving the page, only one process produces None instead of the HTML.
2019-07-09 14:23:29	ikanobori	Ok so; how do you normally run your Django?
2019-07-09 14:23:30	stiv2k_	_habnabit: was the function supopsed to say 'yield from line.split()' or 'yield line.split()'
2019-07-09 14:23:33	tourjin	thanks i think i installed wrong pip
2019-07-09 14:23:35	JordiGH	With gunicorn.
2019-07-09 14:23:35	tourjin	pip 9.0.1 from /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages (python 2.7)
2019-07-09 14:23:36	_habnabit	stiv2k_, former
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2019-07-09 14:23:45	tourjin	i have python3
2019-07-09 14:23:52	ikanobori	JordiGH: Ok but you said this only happens in gunicorn, what did you use to determine that it doesn't happen with other wsgi servers?
2019-07-09 14:23:52	stiv2k_	_habnabit: it says invalid syntax.... python 2.7
2019-07-09 14:23:54	TML	tourjin: apt install python3-pip
2019-07-09 14:23:56	JordiGH	But if I try to remove gunicorn, (using Django's test server, `manage.py. runserver`), I can't see this.
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2019-07-09 14:24:26	ikanobori	Ok so, I'd say it's more likely that there's some sort of race condition with something and because gunicorn runs multiple processes there's no multiple processes using the same backend.
2019-07-09 14:24:33	JordiGH	And it doesn't always happen with gunicorn; some gunicorn process gets poisoned somehow and starts serving the wrong thing.
2019-07-09 14:24:34	ikanobori	And then somehow some state gets silly.
2019-07-09 14:24:45	ikanobori	Because Django's runserver is a single process.
2019-07-09 14:24:49	ikanobori	(with a few threads I guess)
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2019-07-09 14:25:16	JordiGH	It's obviously some per-process globalish variable that's getting poisoned.
2019-07-09 14:25:26	JordiGH	But the only process I've been able to see this is in gunicorn.
2019-07-09 14:25:35	JordiGH	I don't know what whoever is doing to poison the process.
2019-07-09 14:25:38	ikanobori	You've only tried gunicorn with multiple processes.
2019-07-09 14:25:40	_habnabit	infobob, redent stiv2k_ def iter_tokens(yourfile): for line in yourfile: for token in line.split(): yield token
2019-07-09 14:25:40	infobob	stiv2k_, https://bpaste.net/show/u1Ve
2019-07-09 14:25:40	ikanobori	Right?
2019-07-09 14:25:42	kapsh	tourjin, python3-pip is pip for python 3.6 if you have ubuntu 18.04 there.
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2019-07-09 14:26:37	JordiGH	ikanobori: Yeah, it's probably not got anything to do with multiprocessing.
2019-07-09 14:26:45	ikanobori	JordiGH: multiprocessing??
2019-07-09 14:26:53	JordiGH	multianything
2019-07-09 14:26:55	JordiGH	It's not a race.
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2019-07-09 14:26:59	JordiGH	I'm pretty sure of that.
2019-07-09 14:27:03	ikanobori	multiprocessing is a Python built-in module, are you using it?
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2019-07-09 14:27:17	JordiGH	No no, forget that name, just "more than one thing running at the same time".
2019-07-09 14:27:24	JordiGH	My point is, it's probably not related to that.
2019-07-09 14:27:35	ikanobori	Ah ok well, then you can easily remove that bit by making gunicorn only start one process and see if it still occurs.
2019-07-09 14:27:45	JordiGH	The only thing is that the only place I've seen it is in gunicorn processes, because that's what my users are doing.
2019-07-09 14:27:57	JordiGH	I can't repro it otherwise because I don't know what my users are doing.
2019-07-09 14:28:10	ikanobori	It's not really a gunicorn-like thing to make something a None in some processes.
2019-07-09 14:28:11	JordiGH	They don't know what they do either, they just come to me and say "halp broken"
2019-07-09 14:28:25	JordiGH	So I wish I could debug the actual gunicorn process that is already running!
2019-07-09 14:28:28	ikanobori	And I think you can't debug this at all before you know steps to get it to reproduce semi-reliable.
2019-07-09 14:28:30	JordiGH	If I restart the process, the bug goes away.
2019-07-09 14:28:42	JordiGH	Well, I *could* debug this if I could hook up gdb into the process!
2019-07-09 14:28:48	JordiGH	I feel like I'm 30% there.
2019-07-09 14:29:00	JordiGH	But I don't know how to tell gdb, "now break when you hit this Python code".
2019-07-09 14:29:30	ikanobori	You'd need the gdb python extensions but doing that on live processes that aren't triggering the bug or doing it after that value is already None won't tell you much.
2019-07-09 14:29:36	JordiGH	You can inspect a lot of Python code with gdb, it's kind of nice nowadays.
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2019-07-09 14:30:03	JordiGH	What I'd really like is to hook up pdb to a running process but that's not possible afaict.
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2019-07-09 14:31:36	ikanobori	JordiGH: remote-pdb probably exists.
2019-07-09 14:31:47	altendky	i might be about to embed with cffi into a .dll, maybe.  is there a common method of packaging python up with the .dll for distribution?  like pyinstaller for when you want to create a .exe.
2019-07-09 14:31:47	JordiGH	Hmmm... https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7412708/debugging-stepping-through-python-script-using-gdb
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2019-07-09 14:32:17	ikanobori	JordiGH: I think you're probably overcomplicating a bit here; I'd start by joining #django and figuring out why a call to render (?) might return a None.
2019-07-09 14:32:26	JordiGH	I don't think remote-pdb does ptrace().
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2019-07-09 14:32:29	stiv2k_	_habnabit: nice.... i think its working
2019-07-09 14:32:30	ikanobori	Maybe something else entirely is causing it say, some sort of caching.
2019-07-09 14:32:33	ikanobori	JordiGH: Do you need it?
2019-07-09 14:32:39	JordiGH	Well, it's obviously caching.
2019-07-09 14:32:42	ikanobori	You just want a shell in the environment whn the bug happens.
2019-07-09 14:32:53	ikanobori	JordiGH: And what happens when the cache gets corrupted or somehow a None ends up in the cache?
2019-07-09 14:33:01	JordiGH	What cache?
2019-07-09 14:33:04	JordiGH	I don't know!
2019-07-09 14:33:18	ikanobori	Oh, you just said "it's obviously caching" so I thought it was.
2019-07-09 14:33:30	JordiGH	It's obviously a per-process globalish variable getting poisoned.
2019-07-09 14:33:35	JordiGH	So some kind of cache.
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2019-07-09 14:33:42	ikanobori	JordiGH: And that makes the render of one specific widget return None?
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2019-07-09 14:33:50	JordiGH	Yep, just one widget.
2019-07-09 14:34:10	JordiGH	And I can't see anything in the code that makes this widget special.
2019-07-09 14:34:31	JordiGH	I really just want to step through the rendering code to see where the None is coming from.
2019-07-09 14:34:38	JordiGH	I just did that for a happy path.
2019-07-09 14:35:27	ikanobori	Your initial problem was that you can't stop the process for long enough to go through it with gdb right?
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2019-07-09 14:35:37	ikanobori	gunicorn takes a timeout argument (-t) that you can set higher.
2019-07-09 14:35:46	ikanobori	That should give you more time to attach and step into the interpreter.
2019-07-09 14:35:50	JordiGH	If I restart gunicorn the bug goes away.
2019-07-09 14:35:56	JordiGH	And it's hard to repro.
2019-07-09 14:35:58	ikanobori	Ok, but I assume it happens more than once?
2019-07-09 14:36:00	JordiGH	I don't know what my users are doing.
2019-07-09 14:36:07	JordiGH	It's happened twice past two weeks.
2019-07-09 14:36:07	acresearch	people, is there a forum for machine learning Q&A?
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2019-07-09 14:36:11	acresearch	that is active?
2019-07-09 14:36:27	ikanobori	JordiGH: So restart gunicorn with a higher timeout, wait for the bug to occur, find the process, attach to it.
2019-07-09 14:36:34	JordiGH	And then...?
2019-07-09 14:36:39	ikanobori	Step through your render call.
2019-07-09 14:36:45	JordiGH	How do you step through Python code with gdb?
2019-07-09 14:38:18	ikanobori	Oh I thought you knew that bit since you were trying gdb in the first place.
2019-07-09 14:38:31	ikanobori	Maybe you can take a look at pyrasite, it'll insert a python shell into a running python process.
2019-07-09 14:38:49	JordiGH	gdb can also do that.
2019-07-09 14:38:55	JordiGH	Just `python-interactive` in gdb.
2019-07-09 14:38:59	ikanobori	Ok...
2019-07-09 14:39:07	JordiGH	But I don't know how to insert a python *debugger*.
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2019-07-09 14:39:30	JordiGH	Hmmmm... unless... can I...?
2019-07-09 14:40:10	neoncontrails	I was mulling over the problem of inadvertently breaking downstream dependencies by, e.g., forgetting to bump the version of a pypi package after introducing a (possibly breaking) change
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2019-07-09 14:40:42	tourjin	now I installed  python3-pip . but I can't run pip or python3-pip command...
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2019-07-09 14:40:56	neoncontrails	What I'm imagining is a similar concept to this "incremental" package I found, to make versioning a little more automatic: https://github.com/twisted/incremental
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2019-07-09 14:41:01	altendky	tourjin: you shouldn't run the system pip anyways.  bit.ly/py-env
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2019-07-09 14:41:33	neoncontrails	But I'm curious. How necessary is it, really, to require a developer to specify the version number at all?
2019-07-09 14:41:36	altendky	neoncontrails: i use versioneer to pull the version from the git tags
2019-07-09 14:42:13	altendky	neoncontrails: fair warning, some very respectable people disagree with this approach.
2019-07-09 14:42:29	neoncontrails	Shouldn't it be possible to collect the function signatures and bump the major version if any one of them changes?
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2019-07-09 14:42:57	altendky	neoncontrails: that's not the only possible breaking change i would think
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2019-07-09 14:43:10	altendky	neoncontrails: even including type hinting on them
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2019-07-09 14:43:51	Wooble	tourjin: what happens when you try?
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2019-07-09 14:44:00	neoncontrails	altendky: I can imagine it's a more complex problem than I fully appreciate, but I feel like the alternative is just anarchy
2019-07-09 14:44:15	altendky	Wooble: wouldn't it be pip3?
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2019-07-09 14:44:51	tourjin	venv? I'm reading docs. Wooble
2019-07-09 14:44:53	Wooble	altendky: well installing python3-pip alongside python-pip shouldn't break /usr/bin/pip although it's a debian so...
2019-07-09 14:44:54	altendky	neoncontrails: the alternative is that if you really care about breaking changes you realize when you are making one (or at least your reviewer does).
2019-07-09 14:45:05	neoncontrails	I feel like there are very reasonable heuristics for at least suggesting a version number based on hashes, signatures, module dependencies, etc.
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2019-07-09 14:45:30	altendky	Wooble: latest ubuntu anyways doesn't have py2, does it have /usr/bin/pip?
2019-07-09 14:45:56	tourjin	oh pip3 was the command name
2019-07-09 14:46:10	Wooble	altendky: well they had pip earlier.
2019-07-09 14:46:37	altendky	tourjin: especially don't run it as root, such as with sudo.  that can really break stuff.  even with --user isn't great even if you can only break stuff for that particular user.
2019-07-09 14:46:46	altendky	Wooble: gotcha
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2019-07-09 14:46:57	tourjin	ok thanks
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2019-07-09 14:48:01	neoncontrails	altendky: your memory must be a lot sharper than my own, I've only recently started maintaining a PyPi package and already I'm finding it difficult to rely on it for production code due to accidental versioning mistakes
2019-07-09 14:48:09	tourjin	wow import oauth2 has no error message . great guys. u must be thousand kilometers away. but u can look into my laptop better than me.
2019-07-09 14:48:21	tourjin	great . thanks guys
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2019-07-09 14:50:01	altendky	neoncontrails: i didn't make my real point i think.  _when_ you decide to make a breaking change...  it's not about memory so much.  you don't remember 'oh yeah i broke stuff' instead you need to store record of the break when you are making it.  maybe towncrier or similar helps with this.
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2019-07-09 14:51:03	JordiGH	Woo, I repro'ed without gunicorn!
2019-07-09 14:51:08	JordiGH	QA works!
2019-07-09 14:51:36	ikanobori	JordiGH: Hah, so it isn't gunicorn. This should be a lot easier to debug then :)
2019-07-09 14:51:45	JordiGH	I was pretty sure it wasn't gunicorn.
2019-07-09 14:51:47	ikanobori	Now you can also just use pdb.set_trace
2019-07-09 14:52:09	JordiGH	I had the QA lead come over and sit next to me and she did have repeatable steps.
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2019-07-09 14:52:24	JordiGH	I just didn't understand them from the description.
2019-07-09 14:52:29	altendky	neoncontrails: but sure, it seems there could be (might be?) a tool that could check for some breaks.  also, perhaps this would be an integration test suite?  run the last release against the new code to see if it's broken?
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2019-07-09 14:54:43	Soo_Slow	is there any library to work with gamepads, that isnt part of pygame?
2019-07-09 14:54:59	ironfroggy	why "isnt part of pygame"?
2019-07-09 14:55:12	ironfroggy	"I want a library to do this, but not the most popular library that does it"
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2019-07-09 14:56:46	neoncontrails	altendky: this is helpful feedback, thanks. What I'm imagining is basically: a version number `x.y.z` is returned, where x increments in the event of a modified signature (excluding type annotations), y increments if the hash of all the function signatures nonetheless changes (e.g., an added feature), and z increments if the hash of the module source code (defined how? Not sure...) changes
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2019-07-09 14:57:29	pvtpetey	I'm currently trying to make a DJ application and i'm trying to figure out how to use librosa with it. Is there any way to 'play' a track and get librosa to listen to it?
2019-07-09 14:57:42	aslicedbanjo	neoncontrails: an approach I've seen used for C++ is to generate an interface report for each version in a format that is easily diff'able. That was in a a job I had years ago. We used gccxml to "compile" the source to an XML description. I'm sure it would be easy enough to write something along those lines for Python which would at least help with changes like different numbers of arguments or function renames. It won
2019-07-09 14:57:42	aslicedbanjo	our changes though, for which integration tests are good.
2019-07-09 14:57:45	impermanence	What's the best "python to excel" library?
2019-07-09 14:57:54	Wooble	Soo_Slow: https://pypi.org/project/inputs/ disclaimer never heard of it before just googled it
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2019-07-09 14:58:06	impermanence	just for very basic stuff
2019-07-09 14:58:08	Wooble	impermanence: pandas, IMO
2019-07-09 14:58:16	aslicedbanjo	Type annotations can help with those kinds of interface descriptions too.
2019-07-09 14:58:18	impermanence	okay, gr8
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2019-07-09 14:58:50	Wooble	impermanence: (it uses other libraries to do the actual excel stuff, but I don't find their APIs that good when used directly)
2019-07-09 14:59:13	impermanence	matplot and all that I suppose...
2019-07-09 14:59:24	Wooble	impermanence: openpyxl I believe.
2019-07-09 14:59:40	Soo_Slow	ironfroggy, because Im not using pygame?
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2019-07-09 15:00:24	neoncontrails	aslicedbanjo: reminds me a little bit of sphinx/autodoc... which, you're right, is partly what got me thinking about this
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2019-07-09 15:01:31	Wooble	neoncontrails: what if all of my signatures are (*args, **kwargs)? :)
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2019-07-09 15:02:25	neoncontrails	If it's possible to generate informative digests of a package's API, it should also be possible (imho) to prevent 99% of versioning headaches by deferring the decision of an update's nominative version number to an automated tool
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2019-07-09 15:03:14	aslicedbanjo	You could probably even train a neural network to bump versions  for you following rules like semantic versioning ;)
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2019-07-09 15:04:27	Wooble	neoncontrails: I feel like it's probably a harder problem in a dynamic language than in, say, Elm (which does enforce semver in the compiler) but sure, it may be possible for someone someday to write such a tool.
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2019-07-09 15:05:32	Wooble	(hilariously elm itself uses zerover)
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2019-07-09 15:21:35	Soo_Slow	Wooble, thanks
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2019-07-09 15:22:39	mirth	      /buffer 2
2019-07-09 15:22:42	mirth	oops
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2019-07-09 15:26:23	jayjo	I'm trying to add some authorization & authentication to a python app with a jwt token. Should I also use redis to keep track of a blacklist/whitelist of the tokens? Is that a best practice?
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2019-07-09 15:26:57	jimender2	so I am trying to return a True in python 3 and it says that I have invalid syntax. The line of code is literally a tab and then return True
2019-07-09 15:27:11	nedbat	jimender2: check the lines before
2019-07-09 15:27:12	_habnabit	jimender2, it's a previous line; you forgot ) ] }
2019-07-09 15:27:13	jimender2	the arrow is pointing at the n in return
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2019-07-09 15:27:28	Wooble	jimender2: python is bad at pointing arrows at things.
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2019-07-09 15:27:44	_habnabit	(_man_ the cpython parser is so opaque to anyone unfamiliar with it)
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2019-07-09 15:28:27	Wooble	if only it could say "expected ')' or T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM"
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2019-07-09 15:30:02	sydbarret	any package for streak crm api?
2019-07-09 15:30:38	jimender2	Thank you all for that fix
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2019-07-09 15:34:18	_habnabit	sydbarret, what's google say?
2019-07-09 15:34:27	JordiGH	Oh boy, this bug is a fun one.
2019-07-09 15:34:36	JordiGH	I'm gonna impress everyone with the explanation of this bug.
2019-07-09 15:34:57	JordiGH	Men will envy me, women will swoon, bards will sing of my deeds.
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2019-07-09 15:35:00	sydbarret	_habnabit https://github.com/gato-sabio/streak-crm-python
2019-07-09 15:35:15	tourjin	is there a module urlparse not urllib.parse ?
2019-07-09 15:35:26	Wooble	tourjin: in python 2, yes.
2019-07-09 15:35:35	tourjin	python3
2019-07-09 15:35:56	Wooble	tourjin: it was renamed to urllib.parse in python 3.
2019-07-09 15:36:08	tourjin	ok thanks
2019-07-09 15:37:13	Eis	to loop over an array or string which is faster for item in list or a while loop?
2019-07-09 15:37:28	_habnabit	Eis, a for loop is much easier to write
2019-07-09 15:37:54	TML	Eis: are you sure that kind of micro-optimization is valuable to you right now? It rarely is, in my experience.
2019-07-09 15:37:58	JordiGH	Eis: They should be of almost equal speed.
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2019-07-09 15:38:17	nedbat	Eis: a for loop is also easier to read
2019-07-09 15:38:40	JordiGH	Is a for loop just sugar for iterators?
2019-07-09 15:38:40	Eis	I am doing some leetcode problems
2019-07-09 15:38:42	Eis	so I wondered
2019-07-09 15:38:58	JordiGH	Or are some for loops optimised in cpython?
2019-07-09 15:39:01	stiv2k_	_habnabit: is it possible for me to just request one more token by calling token = iter_tokens(fp) or does it have to be iterated over
2019-07-09 15:39:02	Eis	I could try both
2019-07-09 15:39:20	JordiGH	Eis: It would be weird if choosing one or the other is where you could pick up speed.
2019-07-09 15:39:32	_habnabit	stiv2k_, don't call iter_tokens a second time but you'd be able to use next() to get another token
2019-07-09 15:39:39	JordiGH	In Mercurial we do some micro-optimisations like avoiding function calls or method lookups inside loops.
2019-07-09 15:39:41	_habnabit	Eis, don't guess about where your code is slow; measure
2019-07-09 15:40:10	Eis	oh I haven't even started, usually speed comes from implementation
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2019-07-09 15:40:20	JordiGH	So we'll do something like `method = object.method` before the loop instead of `object.method(thing)` in the loop body.
2019-07-09 15:40:23	Eis	a brute force solution is always slow
2019-07-09 15:40:27	_habnabit	Eis, speed doesn't come from guessing about types of loops ;)
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2019-07-09 15:40:42	stiv2k_	_habnabit: like next(token) ?
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2019-07-09 15:40:46	Eis	but if all the other factors have been taken care off..
2019-07-09 15:40:53	JordiGH	Eis: You'll likely gain a lot more speed by other things than the type of loop.
2019-07-09 15:40:54	stiv2k_	where token was for token in iter_tokens(fp) ?
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2019-07-09 15:41:43	_habnabit	infobob, redent stiv2k_ tokens = iter_tokens(fp); for token in tokens: if token == 'onemore': next_token = next(tokens)
2019-07-09 15:41:44	infobob	stiv2k_, https://bpaste.net/show/eH4x
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2019-07-09 15:42:51	_habnabit	Eis, .. then you'd still measure, not guess
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2019-07-09 15:43:35	stiv2k_	_habnabit: i see
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2019-07-09 15:45:00	neoncontrails	Wooble: sorry, got called away for a sec. Can you think of an example of a breaking (major version) update that doesn't modify a module's function signatures?  My hunch is that even someone who signs everything to be a function of (*args, **kwargs) would still fail the hash comparison and get bumped up a minor version, which still at least shields downstream users of a package that use version pinning
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2019-07-09 15:45:36	nedbat	neoncontrails: some people update the major version when they drop support for a version of Python.  No more 2.6? Major version bump.
2019-07-09 15:45:38	Eis	_habnabit I'm not really sure how "for letter in string" works to measure it
2019-07-09 15:45:56	Eis	thus I opted for asking someone who has done the measurements :P
2019-07-09 15:46:22	mat001	Doesn’t quite seem to visually fit there, though functionally it does.
2019-07-09 15:46:22	mat001	What would be a good alternative to put it in? Was thinking in another helper `module` or in __init__.py as in this case wouldn’t even need to import it.
2019-07-09 15:46:22	mat001	What’s a good practice in such case of a simple logger where you don’t use a separate logger module/class?
2019-07-09 15:46:37	_habnabit	Eis, it doesn't matter if that one specific thing might be faster sometimes. the question is what is slow _in your program_
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2019-07-09 15:47:05	_habnabit	Eis, it's extremely likely that something else is slower
2019-07-09 15:47:10	mat001	Sorry, ignore last three lines!
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2019-07-09 15:47:25	mat001	I have a `basicConfig` logger declared in the module where the main function is. Doesn’t quite seem to visually fit there, though functionally it does. What would be a good alternative to put it in? Was thinking in another helper `module` or in __init__.py as in this case wouldn’t even need to import it. What’s a good practice in such case of a simple logger where you don’t use a separate logger module/class?
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2019-07-09 15:48:24	stiv2k_	_habnabit: heh, next() doesnt seem to advance the pointer to the next token
2019-07-09 15:48:40	_habnabit	stiv2k_, you'd have to show your code then
2019-07-09 15:49:14	kapsh	mat001, is your basicconfig call in global scope or in the main function itself?
2019-07-09 15:49:26	stiv2k_	_habnabit: may i pm the pastebin link?
2019-07-09 15:49:56	_habnabit	stiv2k_, put it to the channel, or make a test case that you are more comfortable with sharing
2019-07-09 15:50:08	stiv2k_	https://bpaste.net/show/P_hs
2019-07-09 15:51:15	mat001	kapsh: it's at the top of the odule where the main funciton is
2019-07-09 15:51:20	mat001	(module)
2019-07-09 15:52:18	stiv2k_	_habnabit: whats happening is the output is "Name: CHARACTERISTIC" instead of it skipping ahead and printing the actual characteristic name
2019-07-09 15:52:27	mat001	kapsh: It's picked up easily in other modules, I just need to imort logging and then `logging.error(...)`
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2019-07-09 15:52:55	stiv2k_	and the token stream looks like this: CHARACTERISTIC /* some comment */ characteristic_name_here
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2019-07-09 15:53:22	Wooble	stiv2k_: is there another CHARACTERISTIC right after that? because you're actually skipping the name there.
2019-07-09 15:53:29	_habnabit	stiv2k_, ok, so if you do something like `if (next(tokens) == "/*"):` then the token will be dropped on the floor entirely if it's not /*
2019-07-09 15:53:58	_habnabit	stiv2k_, it's not really a great way to write a parser
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2019-07-09 15:54:33	stiv2k_	Wooble: it's ASAP2 formatted file
2019-07-09 15:55:03	_habnabit	stiv2k_, first result: https://github.com/christoph2/pyA2L
2019-07-09 15:55:07	tourjin	unicode is not defined ...  if isinstance(s, unicode): unicode is not a internal keyword?
2019-07-09 15:55:22	Wooble	tourjin: again, that's a python 2 thing.
2019-07-09 15:55:28	stiv2k_	_habnabit: i'm already using pyA2L to read the file but does not support writing changes back, as far as i can tell
2019-07-09 15:55:36	Wooble	tourjin: if you're trying to run python 2 code, use python 2.
2019-07-09 15:55:41	tourjin	ha...ok thanks
2019-07-09 15:55:44	_habnabit	stiv2k_, i see
2019-07-09 15:56:13	stiv2k_	im just trying to find a value in the file and change it to another value........ should be able to do it
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2019-07-09 15:58:43	TML	stiv2k_: sed -e 's@FOO@BAR@' ? :)
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2019-07-09 16:02:26	stiv2k_	TML: well the actual part im replacing is a few tokens after the 'foo' which i need to search for if that makes sense :)
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2019-07-09 16:02:55	TML	I was kidding anyway :)
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2019-07-09 16:04:02	kapsh	mat001, putting executable things directly in the module scope is generally bad, they will run on every import. Caller importing your module would not expect that change his setting or output something. Scrictly speaking, basicconfig in your case won't change anything when root logger has handlers. But rule is rule.
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2019-07-09 16:04:28	kapsh	So put your logging initialisation in your main function, that will do.
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2019-07-09 16:19:03	Onionnion	Have a SQLAlchemy question if that's appropriate in here
2019-07-09 16:19:20	Onionnion	Still figuring out how to use it, but does it build out the schemas and stuff if they don't already exist?
2019-07-09 16:19:36	Onionnion	or do they need to be in there already
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2019-07-09 16:19:55	Onionnion	in the database*, like if it's other than SQLite
2019-07-09 16:20:02	altendky	neoncontrails: you could add a markup for a functionality revision of the function and bump that when you do more than a refactor or bugfix.  i kind of like the idea of tests though.
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2019-07-09 16:36:38	amazoniantoad	I'm trying to post data to login into quora using urllib and currently this is the code I have written: https://pastebin.com/smkSJRM5 but I'm getting an error that you can't concat a string and bytes
2019-07-09 16:36:39	infobob	https://bpaste.net/show/CqZQ (repasted for amazoniantoad)
2019-07-09 16:36:52	amazoniantoad	Can someone help me figure out how to post data using urllib?
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2019-07-09 16:38:10	FunkyBob	amazoniantoad: and the traceback? [I'd prefer you used something good, like dpaste.de, not pastebin.com
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2019-07-09 16:38:26	tos9	amazoniantoad: Use requests, urllib is not worth the hassle generally.
2019-07-09 16:38:31	newbiepython1	can someone help me how I can optimize or also clean my code and make it compact? https://pastebin.com/dzQB4Khb
2019-07-09 16:38:31	infobob	https://bpaste.net/show/kTaH (repasted for newbiepython1)
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2019-07-09 16:39:58	kapsh	Onionnion, search for CreateSchema in sqlalchemy docs. Also I know people use some neat schema migration managers which keep track for models versions, like alembic (saw this used in a couple of flask projects).
2019-07-09 16:40:08	newbiepython1	can someone please help me
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2019-07-09 16:40:45	Onionnion	Yup I just found flask_migrate which I think I'll use, thanks
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2019-07-09 16:43:50	kapsh	newbiepython1, your formatting is mostly fine. I'd say up to 90% fine and you can use automated tools to reach other 10%: black, isort, etc.
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2019-07-09 16:45:13	newbiepython1	kapsh , for _process_partition can I reduce the code or optimize it ?
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2019-07-09 16:45:30	_habnabit	newbiepython1, what does 'optimize' mean to you?
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2019-07-09 16:45:54	newbiepython1	optimize as in not only more efficient but if I can make it more compact and fewer lines of code
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2019-07-09 16:46:17	_habnabit	newbiepython1, well.. those are very different concerns. you can't do both at the same time
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2019-07-09 16:46:33	amazoniantoad	tos9, can you help me determine if my code actually logged me in? https://pastebin.com/AqXZ9TCA
2019-07-09 16:46:34	infobob	https://bpaste.net/show/O89F (repasted for amazoniantoad)
2019-07-09 16:46:37	_habnabit	newbiepython1, is this too many lines?
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2019-07-09 16:47:01	newbiepython1	_habnabit , do you think I can reduce number of lines in code or make it more compact?
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2019-07-09 16:47:19	_habnabit	newbiepython1, is this too many lines?
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2019-07-09 16:48:05	newbiepython1	yes
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2019-07-09 16:48:32	_habnabit	newbiepython1, ok. how are you measuring that? how will you know when there's few enough lines?
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2019-07-09 16:48:49	newbiepython1	ok leave it thanks for the help
2019-07-09 16:48:50	john2x	missed opportunity to name isort as "impsort"
2019-07-09 16:49:19	kapsh	newbiepython1, line count will be shorter if you collapse some statemetns making them more pythonic. raw_dt = row[1] etc. can be replaced to unpacking: raw_dt, tokens, *_ = row
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2019-07-09 16:50:14	kapsh	And don't use % formatting, it will shoot your leg on tuples.
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2019-07-09 16:50:46	zuckonit	lol
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2019-07-09 16:51:10	nedbat	john2x: nice
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2019-07-09 16:53:41	disi	why is there no property for my logs?  https://gist.github.com/tucked/155cbe534a09a9be214131320b806ef9
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2019-07-09 16:54:54	mat001	kapsh: thx. I don't really use the __main__ function. I have a cli.py module where the program starts. That's where I put the logger (well, I do have a main() function, but that's not __main__). So my basic config logger is at the top of the module. U saying I should create the __main__ function or leave the logger at the top of the module?. See here https://bpaste.net/show/6aue
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2019-07-09 16:56:37	kapsh	mat001, I meant to put logging configuratoin exactly into main() that you have.
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2019-07-09 16:59:22	kapsh	mat001, this way you will always have desired logging when running your script (as I get it, cli:main is registered in entry_points).
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2019-07-09 17:00:50	kapsh	john2x, wow this name is free on pypi. Forkers gonna fork.
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2019-07-09 17:02:21	jonfen	i have a python application in docker, and i am trying to figure out the best dev workflow for debugging it.  the application has multiple containers in a docker stack.  can someone suggest a working tutorial for attaching and debugging a running container?
2019-07-09 17:02:32	jonfen	or is there a better way?
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2019-07-09 17:03:12	jonfen	using vscode
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2019-07-09 17:08:05	amazoniantoad	FunkyBob, Do you know anything about posting data? Currently I'm trying to post data to the server that has the following requirements https://dpaste.de/xTrm And I came up with the following solution https://bpaste.net/show/O89F
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2019-07-09 17:09:43	FunkyBob	amazoniantoad: sure, but usually I use requests... did yo uever paste the traceback for your str / bytes conflict?
2019-07-09 17:10:04	amazoniantoad	FunkyBob, that's no longer an issue. Also using requests now
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2019-07-09 17:11:50	zuckonit	for some reason im getting a unknown syntax (<unknown>) with pylent
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2019-07-09 17:12:22	zuckonit	with the line print("Found file", os.path.join(root, file)):
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2019-07-09 17:13:16	mat001	kapsh: thx. What are entry_points?
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2019-07-09 17:13:52	bjs	zuckonit: is there really a colon on the end of that line?  what happens when you run it in Python itself?
2019-07-09 17:14:11	zuckonit	i will try that
2019-07-09 17:14:37	bjs	zuckonit: because probably pylint(?) is telling you unknown syntax because it's just not valid syntax and you'll find that out if you tried to actually run it
2019-07-09 17:14:40	mat001	kapsh: yes, I checked, cli.py is registered in entry_points in setup.py
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2019-07-09 17:15:59	zuckonit	yeah removing the : fixed it bjs
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2019-07-09 17:19:59	jayjo	is it considered best practice to use a blacklist/whitelist when using JWT tokens for authorization?
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2019-07-09 17:24:27	FunkyBob	jayjo: erm.. no?
2019-07-09 17:24:49	FunkyBob	a large part of the appeal of a JWT is it can be validated in isolation... so a whitelist doesn't make sense